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Intro
Steve Gosselin:
Welcome to Coffee Talk: From the Ground Up, an ECS podcast where we strive to provide a more personable way to communicate with employees. I’m Steve Gosselin, but you can call Goose. And I’m part of our senior leadership team. And I’m joined here by Julie Smith, who is part of the marketing communications team and our resident chocoholic. Say hi, Julie.
Julie Smith:
Thanks Steve. Hey everyone. I’m glad you’re joining us today. So, Steve, what are we doing here?
Steve Gosselin:
Great question, Julie. One of the struggles with the company our size is getting a message to the masses without it being diluted along the way. From projects and people to services and career insight. We hope this podcast helps provide an avenue to communicate the stories that are worth sharing. It’s to learn about our culture and feel more connect and to have some fun along the way.
Julie Smith:
So what you’re saying is, we hope this podcast is educational, entertaining and encouraging, with practical advice you can apply directly to your work and life.
Steve Gosselin:
Well said, Julie, and that’s why you’re in marketing.
Julie Smith:
So grab a cup and settle in.
Julie Smith:
Our attorney makes us say this. This podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed as providing professional engineering services or used to establish the standard of care. This podcast and the comments contained there in represent only the personal views of the participants and do not reflect those of ECS. While we make every effort to ensure that the information we are sharing is accurate, we welcome any comments, suggestions or correction of errors.
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Episode
Steve Gosselin:
Good morning, as always, we’re going to start this morning with a safety minute. And today I’ll let our listeners think a little bit about and talk about ladder safety and fall protection. This is the time of year when folks are climbing up and down ladders, whether they’re cleaning out gutters with leaves or cleaning the roof or trimming trees, things like that. Just be careful. Use proper ladder security. If you can tie it off somehow, make sure you use the proper angles. Be careful as you’re climbing up. If it’s a high area, make sure you’ve got some sort of fall protection that you’re using as well too.
I know that, I just recently was climbing up and down ladders this past weekend, cleaning leaves and things like that. And my wife is out there watching me just shaking her head. Like this is just the craziest thing ever. I managed to navigate it properly. But just telling everybody on the call, whether it’s at home or at work, just be really careful, especially if you’re climbing up a down ladders, scaffoldings things like that.
So good morning. Hope everybody’s doing great today. Really excited about today’s coffee talk. We’ve got Keith Nelson. Keith is a facilities principal and joined DCS in 2018. He brings over 20 years of professional experience to technical and complex building enclosure design and failure investigations. That’s a mouthful. He’s a licensed architect and a certified building commissioning professional. Keith earned his bachelor of science in environmental design and bachelor of architecture from Ball State University. He’s the father of three and amazing girls. Good for you. A fan of Star Wars and a husband to a wife who does not deserve, but isn’t that the case for all of us, Keith?
Keith Nelson:
I believe so.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Yeah. So good morning.
Keith Nelson:
Good morning. Good morning. And thank you for having me.
Steve Gosselin:
Absolutely. Get started. Get everybody warmed up. We’ve got rapid fire. We asked Keith to pick five questions. And so Keith, hunting or fishing?
Keith Nelson:
So this is fun. I’m going to have to say I was not properly raised, neither. I enjoy the outdoors. I enjoy camping. I’ll say fire building.
Steve Gosselin:
Okay. All right. So, okay. Hiking or camping?
Keith Nelson:
Hiking.
Steve Gosselin:
Hiking. Okay, there you go. All right. Awesome. Dogs or cats?
Keith Nelson:
See, now you’re getting personal. I’m going to have to say, probably to many people’s dismay, cats. I was raised with cats. We have cats in the house now. Don’t tell my kids, because I tell my kids I’m not a fan, but I enjoy having the cats around.
Steve Gosselin:
Excellent. Now I had cats when I was young as well too. We transitioned to dogs later on, but yeah, I grew up with cats. All right. Ford or Chevy?
Keith Nelson:
My dad was true and true Ford man. And so I’m going to have to say Ford.
Steve Gosselin:
Okay. That’s for our NASCAR fans out there, which, I’m a big race fan. So, okay. Football or hockey?
Keith Nelson:
Well, again, I’m going to trip you up and say soccer.
Steve Gosselin:
Nice. Alright. Very good. And hamburgers are hot dogs?
Keith Nelson:
Hamburgers all the way.
Steve Gosselin:
All right.
Keith Nelson:
The bigger and the messier, the better.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Excellent. I love it. Okay. Keith, if you would, for our listeners, just tell us a little bit about your ECS story. How you got here, what you’ve been doing. I understand you’re a principal. So just tell us a little bit about your story.
Keith Nelson:
Absolutely. And thank you. And I will say, I didn’t know we were going to read my typical script for presentations. I always feel a little awkward with that reading, but I appreciate it. My story, I’ve been doing this work, building envelope work for about 20 years. I’ve been in the industry for about 20 years. I started in, actually, building as a construction manager, originally a volunteer and AmeriCorps member with Habitat for Humanity. Building homes and then worked into a staff position with them in Los Angeles and then Indiana. Did that for about five years, then transitioned to design work, working for a traditional architect. Tell my friends, I, well, I won’t go there, but we designed very large custom homes in the DC market. So you can just imagine how crazy those projects got. Left a little bit of my soul there, but that’s a discussion for another day.
But then through that process, I was very much in both habitat and in design. I was very much energy efficiency. How can we design buildings better to use less energy, to be better for the environment. And that’s what really got me into Building Envelope early on and code compliance. And from there, I worked for a couple of different consulting firms, started working on some pretty high end and fun and crazy and interesting projects across the US, a lot of federal work.
I came to ECS in 2018 and that was really just from several connections from people I had here and the great things I had heard about ECS. I also think that ECS has a different opportunity than some of the other firms that I had worked for that were very focused on high end. That’s not the right word, but they did not have the technician base to get in the field to have the consistent presence with our clients, with our projects, that I think adds a lot of value to the work we are doing outside of visiting a project once a month. And commenting on and everything that’s happening and then walking away and coming back a month later.
And so the opportunity that our diversity of staff brings, to have that constant presence on a project was really the draw. And it’s in the four, almost four years that I’ve been here, it’s been the advantage that I’ve seen and the way that we deliver service to our clients.
Steve Gosselin:
All right. Awesome. That’s great. I was taking notes while you’re talking. Tell us a little bit more, you use the words efficiency, value, quite a bit. And then you were talking about efficiency, not only energy efficiency, but efficiency in your designs. Yeah. So, just tell me about how that’s all incorporated, not only the design process, but the services you’re providing now.
Keith Nelson:
Yeah, absolutely. And I guess what I would say to that is, when we think about energy efficiency, there’s a lot of things in our world that use energy. We have cars, we have vehicles, we talk about oil supply and solar energy and wind energy. But when we really look at where the energy is going, the vast majority of the energy we produce in the country and in the world goes into maintaining our buildings.
And so, the more that we can do to design buildings that use less energy, the better off we’re going to be in the long term. And for me, that really led me to focusing on the building envelope. And I know that might sound odd to some people because, well, it’s the mechanical systems. Well, that is true. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done in our mechanical systems to make them more efficient and to do the things that we want them to do with the least amount of energy. However, all the loads that those mechanical systems are trying to work against really come from the building envelope.
And so, by focusing on the building envelope, we’re focused on reducing the load, which then, energy efficient mechanical systems can then use to make that air comfortable at the right humidity, with the right into air quality and all the other attributes that we’re looking for. So, there’s a lot that goes into that. And we focus on the building envelope as a way to reduce that load and make our buildings more efficient.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Wow. Thanks for, for doing that and enlightening, not only me and Julie, but our listeners., I hear a lot about that stuff. We’re all responsible. We want to do the right thing, but of times we really don’t know. So that gives us a better idea. And I would imagine, especially with what you’re doing and what you’re dealing with now, you’ve seen significant changes just over the last 15 to 20 years in what’s available, what can be done. And I think a lot of this stuff, correct me if I’m wrong, it’s somewhat cost effective too. It actually pays for itself.
Keith Nelson:
It absolutely does. And the challenge with building envelope work is, and I’ll use the residential equivalent. If you spend a little bit of extra money to get that building envelope better, it’s going to save you money, not just this year, but next year and every year that you’re using that building. But it’s something you don’t see.
So one of my frustrations is seeing high end homes that have all the great finishes and countertops and trim and all that work, but will often skimp on the building envelope because it’s not something that we see. When a little bit of money put into the right details and the right aspects of building performance, will have a long term impact on, not only cost savings, but also durability. How long do we expect that building to last. Also, indoor air quality. We spend a lot of time, especially these days, in the post COVID world, or I guess, current COVID world, however we want to describe that, talking about indoor air quality and filtering out pollutants and other contaminants and potentially viruses. If you spend all that effort and have a leaky building envelope, now you’re trying to filter the outdoor air as well. So the more we can lock that down and have a tied envelope, the better off we’re going to be from a lot of different perspectives and not just energy.
Steve Gosselin:
All right, good stuff. I guess we’ll transition, and you can start telling us a little bit about building envelope services, what it’s you do. And just tell our folks in general terms what it is. And then we’ll get into a little bit more detail.
Keith Nelson:
Yeah, absolutely. Our building envelope services and our facility services, really more broadly, came out of the core services of ECS and our founding with geotechnical and construction material testing. And really looking at projects during construction, how to add value, how to allow our clients and our projects to achieve the project they set out for in design, through a quality control process. And so we’ve done that. We’ve built on that. We’ve really, in a lot of ways, perfected that, especially in the Mid-Atlantic region. And we’re getting better every day in the other regions that are growing quickly, to have that construction phase service where we’re looking to make sure that what’s being built,` is what was supposed to be built. And that it’s functioning appropriately.
The expansion that we made three or four years ago is now to, not only look at the construction phase services, are we building it as it was designed, but now we’re looking at full scope, from pre-design into design to identify that we’re designing and building the right thing, as well as doing that correctly. And so it’s working with owners and architects and general contractors, especially in design build, to ensure that the design documents, or even the original intent of the project, is clearly defined and is going to meet their expectations as far as building envelope performance. Again, whether it’s energy, water leakage, air leakage, comfort, condensation, mold potential, all the things that come about with buildings.
So in design phase, we’re working with the owner architect, design review, helping to establish those criteria, helping to establish what that quality control protocol is going to be in construction. How are we going to test buildings to make sure that at construction, that they’re meeting the expectations. So helping to define that early on. And then also helping to execute that in construction, through our quality assurance, observations, through testing and post occupancy evaluations.
Steve Gosselin:
Okay. So, do we get in early on in the construction process doing these services, or is this something we wait on? Tell us a little bit more about the project, the life cycle and where we get in.
Keith Nelson:
So again, our QAO services traditionally come in at permit. When they’re bidding the project with the contractor, we’re getting tied into the QAO services. But when it comes to our building envelope consulting, especially one of our newer services, we’re three years in now, Building Envelope Commissioning, we’re actually getting in pre-design. So at the same time, their geotechnical friends are out there drilling the site to figure out what the soils are going to be for that foundation design. We’ll also be working with the owner and the architect to define what it is we’d like to achieve with this building from a building envelope perspective.
So, we can be involved very early on in pre-design. We can also get involved at design to come alongside the design team, the architects, and help them with identifying what challenges there may be, how they’re establishing their building envelope systems. How are we mitigating risk for condensation moisture and other challenges. So the bottom line is, we can come in a variety of places. We also come in during occupancy, doing a decent amount of forensic work. If there are comfort issues, if there are leak issues, if your energy efficiency or energy usage isn’t where you think it might be, we can come in and investigate those symptoms, those challenges, and help you define solutions and potentially design and help you get those installed.
Steve Gosselin:
Excellent. Okay. So other than keeping you and your team busy and generating revenue and profit, why are building envelope services important? Why is this important stuff?
Keith Nelson:
I like to start this conversation, especially with owner clients, and especially with clients who are going to be holding onto the property, maintaining it, responsible for its energy use. I start that discussion by asking about their last construction project. How is that going? What challenges have you had? Have your maintenance staff been spending more time chasing stained ceiling tiles than they would like to? A lot of that’s either because of condensation or water leakage or other challenges that you’ve had in the building envelope. Talk about the RFI process on previous construction projects and how we could mitigate some of that headache if we were better coordinated in design.
And so, I think the reality is, we’re looking to, I like to shorthand it and say we’re cheap insurance. Yes, there is a cost to our services, but what our services are attempting to do, is to help eliminate some of that building envelope performance headache in design, by supporting the design staff. And in construction, any challenges or potential problems to be solved in construction, our goal is to identify those very early in the process, not after we’ve installed half of it, so we have to go back and fix it, but in the submittal process, in the kickoff meeting process, in a performance mockup process to identify the potential challenges of the building envelope and solve them early, so that we’re saving time, we can compress our schedules and hopefully be more efficient in our resource use to get to the end goal. And then ultimately, have a project that performs the way that we expected.
Steve Gosselin:
Awesome. So Julie, inquiring minds want to know what’s on your mind?
Julie Smith:
So, obviously you shared a good bit about how building envelope services we can come at any point in the project. So, say we have a geotech project manager listening in or another one of our team members is like, “Hey, I think I might have a client that needs some of these services.” How would you recommend our employees help guide that conversation with their client and work with your team? And what would you like that to look like?
Keith Nelson:
Great, great question. So I think that goes back to a lot of what we were just talking about as far as, especially on, we’re not going to be dealing with horizontal construction. So road projects and that kind of stuff, great work, very interesting work, not the stuff we’re going to be dealing with. But projects that have vertical construction. If you know you’re doing site borings for foundation design for a vertical project, for a building, all buildings are going to have a building enclosure of some type. And those are the projects that we can come in and support.
And I think it’s really understanding what that project is. And I would, again, talk about past performance. What are the big sticking points in your previous projects? Inevitably, the building envelope is going to come up, whether it’s through water leakage and RFIs and other process management stuff. And that’s where I’m always available. I’m happy whether you’re in Mid-Atlantic or one of our other subsidiaries. I’m happy to get on the phone. The other subsidiaries have some great resources for building envelope as well. And have a conversation to understand, one, what they’re doing. And then we can do to potentially come alongside and support their success.
Steve Gosselin:
I’ve got a question and I’ve often wondered about this, what we’re talking about are building envelope services, that’s your main service line, but I know that in your bio, you do commissioning. You’re a commissioning professional as well too. Make the distinction. Are they same thing? Are they different? How do they contrast?
Keith Nelson:
Great question. And so, the way I like to talk about that is, ECS provides pre-designed services. We provide design services through a design peer review. We can put together design packages for you. We can do procurement services and help support value engineering and other aspects that happen. Submittal reviews, mock up observations, onsite quality assurance, building envelope testing, and performance evaluation, and post occupancy evaluation. We can do all of those things independently.
When we talk about building envelope commissioning, what we’re doing is, basically just putting a big bow around all those services and saying, yes, we will do it all. And it’s really, again, building envelope, the individual services, it’s about getting that individual task done. Building envelope commissioning takes a little bit of a different tack and wants to first clearly identify what it is we’re trying to achieve, and then work with the project team, owner, architect, contractor trade partners, throughout the process to make sure that we are on track to deliver a project that meets or exceeds the owner’s expectations from a building envelope perspective.
Building envelope commissioning, it’s a word or a phrase that we toss around. It’s getting a lot of air time these days, because it is getting more requirements in building code and more often being required through third party certifications like lead or well building. But really, it’s just a packaging of a soup to nuts approach to building envelope.
Steve Gosselin:
Okay. And so confirm for, not only Julie and me, but our listeners, we do both. We’ll do commissioning and we can do just general building envelope services?
Keith Nelson:
Building envelope commissioning we can absolutely do, as well as all the services in that process. We can and do provide individually. The good distinction to make right now, maybe the important distinction right now, is when a project is asking for commissioning, we can do the building envelope aspect of that. There is often a mechanical electrical, plumbing, potentially fire and other commissioning services, that ECS doesn’t do directly, but we do have many partners that we can call upon to provide a response to that request.
Steve Gosselin:
Oh, okay. Good. Well, that’s very helpful because I am asked on many occasions, do we do commissioning. And I say, yeah, but then I have to call and find out, okay, just what exactly do we do? That’s great. That helps a lot. What market sectors do we work in? And do we have a preferred area? Something that really suits us and really hits the mark force?
Keith Nelson:
When we’re looking at individual services, I will jokingly say, anyone who’s willing to pay the bill. But we can service a lot of different projects, especially in QAO, any project that has a set of design documents. And you’re wanting to make sure that that is, the project is built in accordance to those documents. QAO services work for you. When we get more into the consulting and especially building envelope commissioning, we’re really looking for those clients and those projects that are concerned about long term performance. That’s going to be colleges and universities, municipalities, data centers, hospitals, projects that are very, again, very interested in long term performance.
We are getting in some markets, in what I would consider more building envelope mature markets, like DC. We are getting a lot of requests from even residential builders to do full scope commissioning because of the amount of callbacks they’ve had really from water leakage and comfort issues. But more often than not, it’s the people, the projects, the institutional projects, municipal projects, healthcare projects that are really concerned about long term performance.
Steve Gosselin:
Okay, great. I that’s, that’s really helpful. So Julie, anything else on your mind?
Julie Smith:
Okay. So you talked about these market sectors that we work in, that they’re big and meaningful in our communities, especially right now in this COVID world. The hospital systems, healthcare systems are very influential in our communities. And I’m wondering, do you have a project that you could share about that’s been really meaningful to you or impactful to you or something that was really cool for you to be able to work on?
Keith Nelson:
Yeah, absolutely. It’s an ongoing project right now. We are currently on the commissioning team doing building envelope commissioning for the renovation of the Air and Space Museum on the National Mall. So that’s a fantastic project. It’s a building that’s near and dear to my heart. We’re the same age. And it’s a place I love to go in DC. We lived in Capitol Hill for a long time. And between the Air Space Museum and the Museum of the Native American, that’s where we spend a lot of time. But they’re going through a process right now of renovation, where they’re essentially replacing the entire building envelope. All the curtain wall, the skylights, the roofing, as well as the stone cladding. And they’re doing this all while the building is operational for the second most visited museum in the world. So it’s a pretty fantastic project. It’s a very technically interesting project. It’s a project that has a fantastic team. And it’s great to go through and I’m looking forward to it being a great success.
Steve Gosselin:
That was a really good question, Julie. This is, to me, I think one of the highlights of doing coffee talk in these podcasts and having these conversations with our folks every time there’s something that comes up that I hear or listen or learn about. And just to hear you, not only describe the project, but the absolute passion and love, that it’s like, holy cow, we get to do this. And this is a big deal. This is a really, really big deal. That’s cool as heck. I love it.
Let’s go back a little bit in history and just tell us a little bit about, at least, I know we did property condition assessments, building condition surveys, things like that. We stuck our toe in the water years ago, but tell us, from your perspective, how did facilities get started and how’s it evolved here at ECS?
Keith Nelson:
Great question. I think there’s a couple different ways to probably answer that question. And it really comes down to delivering value to our clients, which has always been at the core in delivering high value service to our clients, which has really been at the core of ECS, as I understand it from the beginning and I definitely see it today.
And having our geotechnical and construction material testing services, I don’t know if environmental came before or after facilities, probably before. But just getting requests from good clients needing help with building envelope, needing with property condition assessments and needing help with structural repairs. And so, the facilities group is the catchall for all the misfits, if you will. All the stuff that came about through requests. And so right now our facilities group includes, again, building envelope, our structural group, which does a lot of structural repair, structural investigations, parking garages. Whatever challenges structural you may be having in buildings, they can get out and help you investigate that, understand it and repair it. Doing a lot of testing on buildings as well.
Then we have our PCA group or our due diligence group, which does property condition assessments, typically for pre-purchase as well as pre-construction surveys for buildings adjacent to new construction and want to understand if that adjacent construction’s having impact on their buildings. And then our newest group is our co compliance group, which is currently our fastest growing group, where we are going into jurisdictions. I’m in Richmond, Virginia. When COVID happened, their co compliance group essentially shut down. However, construction continued and permits were needed. And so there was the opportunity to come in and get certified, get approved, to work on behalf of the city to do plan review and code compliance inspections. And so that’s something we’re doing, really, across the entire ECS footprint now. And it’s a very fast growing service.
Steve Gosselin:
So, just sitting there, listening to you. You’re a really, really intelligent guy, you’re highly experienced, but you’re humble and modest, especially the way you talk about your projects and your clients and your team. And you talked about your project opportunities, they might be misfits, but I can tell you, you and your team are not misfits. We’re really proud and excited to have you on the team. And what you’re doing and how you described growing the business is exactly how we want to do it here in the company, is interacting, engaging with our clients, asking questions. What are your needs? What are your concerns? How can we help? Most folks really don’t know our depth and breadth of our experience, our technical capabilities, our background, what we can really do. And the way that we can expand service lines, expand market sectors, get more work, is just engaging with our clients and having these type of conversations like we’re having right now. What’s important? Where have you had problems or where have you had failures? Oh, well, if you include us, we could help solve that problem early on.
Keith Nelson:
Yes. Yes. And I could make a matrix reference, but I won’t. So, I want to understand why. There are things that you’re asking us to do in construction. Well, why? And is that really the best way to get to what you’re trying to achieve? Or is that just what we’ve always done, therefore, we’re doing it again, when maybe there’s a more efficient way to get to what you’re ultimately trying to achieve. And that’s the stuff that I think that gets me excited, that gets our team excited is, yes, doing QAO, doing testing, making sure that you’re getting what you paid for, absolutely. But when we can dig in, understand the why and provide new and innovative solutions, I think that’s what really gets people excited on our team.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. I couldn’t agree more. And from the context or the position of being humble, modest, helpful first, being of service, developing that level of trust with your folks and not being threatening. And they understand you’re really there to help. I’ve got this experience, this expertise, all these licenses and certifications. I got all these great folks. How can we help? And sometimes people are just like, “Do this.” But if you can really get to that level, like you described, and you can engage with your clients and ask them questions, it really does, it opens up the world, not only for them, but for us too. And it to your experience and your ability to provide better services.
Keith Nelson:
Absolutely. And I would just, if I could, just tag onto that. We get questions from clients often as well. Well, what’s the best roof assembly? And as any good consultant, I say, “Well, that depends.” Well, what do you mean? You can’t just tell me what the right roof is? Well, I can, but to tell you what the right roof is, I first need to understand your goals, your budget, your schedule, where’s the project going to be built. There’s not one solution for every building. And I think initially, sometimes clients will find that frustrating, but in the end, they see value in that, that I’m not trying to sell them, what’s often considered a Cadillac or belt and suspenders version of their building envelope. I want a building envelope that meets their needs. And maybe exceeds their expectations. But ultimately, we’re working to solve the challenge for you, not for me. If that makes sense.
Steve Gosselin:
It absolutely does. I mean, that’s why, I know you do it, I do it. Many of our listeners do it. Why? We’re so engaged in consulting. It’s an opportunity for us to provide good technical services and stuff like that. But just, it fills that space of wanting to be in service, to help people out, to make things better, to move things forward. All that. It’s hard to describe, but in this conversation, you’re capturing it for all of us. And so that’s why I wanted to ask you some of these questions so our folks can get it. Because people are out there listening right now. It’s like, “Yeah, that’s it. That’s it.” Good stuff. Awesome.
Okay. So we’re, we’re getting ready to wrap up. Before our final question, I’ll shoot back at Julie. Anything final before we wrap this up, Julie?
Julie Smith:
I don’t think so. I think we’ve covered a lot of ground. Keith, is there anything else that you want our listeners to know about building envelope, about facilities at ECS? Anything that we’ve missed?
Keith Nelson:
No. Just, I think, one, I appreciate the opportunity. Again, when I heard that you guys were putting this coffee talk podcast together, I was very excited. I think you’ve done a great job and I just appreciate the opportunity to be a part of it. And I would encourage our listeners, especially those clients or people within ECS, get to know the facilities team in your area. I think we have a lot to offer that maybe isn’t at the top of everyone’s thought when they think of ECS. We think of geotechnical and construction material testing, but there’s a lot of other depth that we can provide and value we can provide to projects and our clients. And so, we’re here to help.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah, agreed. Keith, what fills your cup? What makes you happy or brings you joy?
Keith Nelson:
Well, you mentioned it at the beginning. I’m the father of three girls, eight, 12, and 14. And what fills my cup? I don’t know. Hugs in the morning. Got three of the best huggers in my house. So, that’s what fills my cup. It’s just being able to spend time with them. And I’ll brag on my 12 year old right now. She’s asking to stay up late on a school night, Thursday so that she can watch a lecture about the James Webb Space Telescope, which I am very excited about and can geek out on. But now I’ve got to decide if she can stay up late on a school night to watch that. So we’ll see.
Steve Gosselin:
That’s awesome. I love it. Okay. Well, Keith, thanks for your time. I know you and your team are very busy. And just spending time to enlighten us about building envelope, the services we provide, why it’s important, I’d encourage our listeners to reach out to you. I know that you’d pick up the phone or answer email and just provide them a little bit more information about it, but thanks a lot. Thanks for what you do for us and the company. Please tell your team we said thanks as well too. This is an exciting service line for us. It’s really something that’s starting to grow. And it’s a need out there for our clients. There’s a lot of good construction and projects going on. And this is some place we can jump in and help. So again, thanks. We really appreciate it.
Keith Nelson:
Thank you both very much.
Steve Gosselin:
All right.
Julie Smith:
Thanks, Keith.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Thank you.
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Outro
Steve Gosselin:
Thank you for listening to coffee. Talk from the ground up. We hope you enjoyed today’s episode. If you have an idea on future topics, guests, or up for a round of call, you can call me, text me, email me, just get in touch with me and I’ll get it to Julie and we’ll get it set up.
Julie Smith:
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Steve Gosselin:
Thanks, Julie. Here’s to having a great day.