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Intro
Steve Gosselin:
Welcome to Coffee Talk: From the Ground Up an ECS podcast, where we strive to provide a more personable way to communicate with employees. I’m Steve Gosselin, but you can call me Goose. And I’m part of our senior leadership team. And I’m joined here by Julie Smith, who is part of the marketing communications team and our resident chocoholic. Say hi, Julie.
Julie Smith:
Thanks Steve. Hey everyone. I’m glad you’re joining us today. So Steve, what are we doing here?
Steve Gosselin:
Great question, Julie. One of the struggles with a company our size is getting a message to the masses, without it being diluted along the way. From projects and people to services and career insight. We hope this podcast helps provide an avenue to communicate the stories that are worth sharing. It’s to learn about our culture and feel more connected and to have some fun along the way.
Julie Smith:
So what you’re saying is we hope this podcast is educational, entertaining and encouraging with practical advice you can apply directly to your work and life.
Steve Gosselin:
Well said Julie and that’s why you’re in marketing.
Julie Smith:
So grab a cup and settle in.
Our attorney makes us say this, this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing here in shall be construed as providing professional engineering services or used to establish the standard of care. This podcast and the comments contained there in represent only the personal views of the participants and do not reflect those of ECS. While we make every effort to ensure that the information we are sharing is accurate, we welcome any comment, suggestions or correction of errors.
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Steve Gosselin:
Today we’re going to be talking with Tyler, is it Olfers?
Tyler Olfers:
Olfers.
Steve Gosselin:
Olfers, okay. And we got this one titled creative behind music, which I think everybody’s going to find very interesting and fascinating. I’ll get us started with a safety minute.
Julie Smith:
Quick safety minute for today Daylights Savings Time ends this weekend so it is a great reminder to double check your smoke detectors, as well as carbon monoxide monitors. Make sure those are in working order, change out the batteries if you need to and enjoy an extra hour of sleep this weekend!
Steve Gosselin:
So quick introduction about Tyler. Tyler is our construction materials department manager in Austin, Texas. He joined ECS in 2015 and has had several different roles through the years. When he is not in the office, you can find him strumming his guitar or writing music.
Steve Gosselin:
But we’ll have more on that in a minute. And actually in preparation for this, I got to hear one of his songs. As Julie shared that with me and listened to it and it’s really quite good.
Steve Gosselin:
And I think what you’re also going to find out is that our music for Coffee Talk was also… our introductory music was written by Tyler, so thanks. Thanks man, we really appreciate that. So let’s get started. We always start with a rapid fire and we ask Tyler to pick five. So what’s your favorite book or favorite author?
Tyler Olfers:
I’d have to say Stephen R. Donaldson’s, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant series.
Steve Gosselin:
Nice. All right, good choice. And best vacation spot or favorite place in the world?
Tyler Olfers:
Nothing has topped our trip to Montego Bay, Jamaica for our honeymoon.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah, very nice spot. Good for you. What song would you choose to karaoke?
Tyler Olfers:
I’d have to stay true to my Texas native and go with Texas Flood by Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Steve Gosselin:
There you go man, that’s an all-time favorite. Yeah, I grew up in Texas as well too and was a big Stevie Ray fan. Absolutely. What’s something you like to do the old fashioned way?
Tyler Olfers:
I’d say I’d like rolling out plastic limits by hand, the old way. I just… something about the feel of it there. Getting them just right the way they need to be.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah, okay. And what would be your spirit animal?
Tyler Olfers:
Well, I’d have to say the greater roadrunner. This is those roadrunners that we have running around in Texas [inaudible 00:05:16].
Steve Gosselin:
And being especially in Central Texas. I’ve spent a lot of time in Austin, so I could appreciate that. But being a Texan, I’m surprised you didn’t say the armadillo.
Tyler Olfers:
I had a greater roadrunner jump into the window of my truck while I was sitting on a job one day. So ever since then I’m like, “That’s my animal.”
Steve Gosselin:
No kidding. That’s pretty cool. All right. So Tyler, tell us yours ECS story. Why’d you choose ECS? How’d you get here? How did it happen? Share with us about your ECS story.
Tyler Olfers:
Sure. Thanks. So one day I was working at a competitor testing company in about 2015. I was called by a longtime friend and a career mentor who was the department manager here at the ECS Austin office at the time, the late Ron Boydston. And he heard many people were leaving where I was at and he said, “What are you doing?” And I said, “Well, actually we’re all kind of going somewhere.”
Tyler Olfers:
And he said, “No, you’re not.” He was like, “I’m going to offer you something that nobody can offer you.” He just told me to get a six pack and come over to his house that evening. And we sat on the front porch, had a couple beers. When I got there he said, “I’m going to offer you me.” And I said, “Well, well played Ron. Nobody can offer me you.” And he went into it a little more.
Tyler Olfers:
He said he would like to bring me on as a senior laboratory technician. And then he’d like to try to pour into me whatever he’s learned about project managing and leading people ahead of him retiring in the next five years, which is what he planned to do. So I interviewed with then branch manager, Bob Mashewske and I started working for ECS shortly thereafter.
Tyler Olfers:
And I helped reorganize the lab processes in their accreditation. And from there I got promoted to the lab manager and field services manager by 2018. And then ultimately to the department manager for construction materials testing after Ron passed away in August, 2018.
Steve Gosselin:
All right. Well, excellent. Glad you chose to be part of the team, part of the pack. And it sounds like you’ve had a pretty fast move up the chain, so good for you and congratulations. So why did you choose this career path? Why not only ECS, but to get into construction materials testing and what you’re doing right now?
Tyler Olfers:
Well, it has a similar story. My passion began for the industry back when I was 18, I was pushing carts for Kohl’s department store in 2005. My friend came speeding up and he was like, “Hey I’ve got a summer job.” My neighbor just asked me if I knew anybody else who wanted a summer job. He goes, “It’s a real job.”
Tyler Olfers:
And I was like, “Really?” He’s like, “Yeah. 401(k), overtime.” I was like, “All right, cool.” I didn’t know what that meant. He said, “When he interviews you, he’s going to ask you, what does your current job pay you?
Tyler Olfers:
And he wants you to tell him that, that’s irrelevant.” I was like, “Okay.” So when I got to the interview and that happened, Ron, who was the one who interviewed me at that time. He was my friend’s neighbor.
Tyler Olfers:
He asked me that question and I paused and got flushed and got a little nervous as an 18 year old kid. And I just said, “That’s irrelevant.” And he looked at me and gave me a real confirming look and said, “Good, real good.”
Tyler Olfers:
Like I passed or I did the right thing. I followed his instructions. He began pushing me through certifications for the lab and the field. At that point, he left in 2006 and started his own geotechnical drilling company and brought me over there shortly thereafter.
Tyler Olfers:
And I worked for his geotech drilling company as his operations manager from 2006 to 2010, which ended up folding under the great recession of 2008. He went to ECS and came to the department manager.
Tyler Olfers:
And I went to a competitor firm that I had come from and was there until 2015 until Ron picked up the phone and called me again and recruited me over here at ECS.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Good stuff, man. That’s awesome. So let’s jump into a little bit about your creative side and your music side. So how did your love for music begin?
Tyler Olfers:
Well, I had an ear for music as a young kid. My mom would sew and they had a little keyboard set up and I was picking out Eagles… melody to one of her Eagles songs she liked. And she’s like, “Hey, that was the Eagle song.” So she enrolled me in classical piano lessons from the age of five to about 10.
Tyler Olfers:
And then I switched over to doing blues and composition, writing music lessons for piano from the age 10 to 15. So it’s always been a part of my life. And then just always playing and writing music just never stopped.
Steve Gosselin:
Awesome. So tell me a little bit about your music journey. After 10 years old, did you play in the high school band? Were you in the church choir? Did you continue lessons, tell us a little bit about out your favorite instruments and you playing a band, that type of stuff. Those are all things that us non-musician people want to know. Believe me, I sang in the choir. I think they kicked me out if I remember right, [inaudible 00:10:27].
Tyler Olfers:
That’s funny. So yeah, I started playing guitar and learned… my grandpa really pushed me to sing when I was about 15. [inaudible 00:10:37] at a really good time because I was starting to get a little jealous of my guitar playing buddies who were getting a lot of attention at parties and at gatherings being able to play a guitar. And I was like, “There’s not a piano everywhere you go.”
Tyler Olfers:
So I started learning how to play the guitar. I started playing in bands and since then I’ve played in about six or more bands from the age of 15 to 32, a few years ago. I stopped playing after we started having kiddos and I’ve recorded piano for many local bands and one singer, songwriter up in Ohio.
Tyler Olfers:
So I’m still pretty active with music now. So I think it’s a journey that no matter how active I am in it, that it’s always going to be a part of my life.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. That’s cool. Great story. So does music help you in your job? Do you think differently, do you act differently because of it? How does music support you?
Tyler Olfers:
Actually as a lab technician, I feel like the equipment that we used in the lab actually helped me with my music to turn that around. The stiff shaker and the Proctor machine, hammering down. There’s a lot of rhythmic stuff there that a lot of songs came to me while I was working as a lab technician in my ears.
Tyler Olfers:
But I would say that music absolutely helps me in work and in my life. I think, I think differently because of music just in general. Beginning at such a young age, it has everything to do with how I process my thoughts, feelings, emotions and I think it contributes towards my love for math.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. That’s interesting you say that because I come from a long line of non-musical people, but we were convinced that our daughter at an early age was musically inclined and we wanted to learn how to play the piano. And actually she got pretty good at it, but not because she was musically inclined. She was good at math.
Steve Gosselin:
And to her, she said to her what really all it was, was just math. So she could learn basics and actually was pretty good at it. So it’s funny you’d say that I’ve heard a lot of musicians say that. So tell us a little bit, why is music an important outlet and how do you make time for it?
Tyler Olfers:
Music is really an important outlet for me, because it’s a channel to express myself better than I could using words. I have a really supportive wife who understands how intrinsic music is and has always been for me. Whenever we met, I was playing in a couple of bands and so that was always a thing.
Tyler Olfers:
And then she knows my story. So she knows it’s who I am. Now having two toddlers, I’ve learned every nursery rhyme that there is, I’ve kind of turned them into a set list where I can play them all one after one, after one in the same court progression.
Tyler Olfers:
And then just in general, how making time for it. My wife helps me kind of devote some time for writing and recording. Sometimes she’s like, “Hey, I’m going to go to my mom’s house this weekend. You can hang out, play some music if you want.” Stuff like that. So that’s big help because it’s real easy to let something like that just get covered up by being busy with work or raising a family. So it’s good to have that as a part of our teamwork.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah, that’s great. And I can’t say that I understand because I really don’t, but I have a very good friend and he’s a great client too. We do a lot of stuff together and he’s a drummer in a band and he has a regular gig two, three times a month. He and the band, they get out and they play these different spots and his wife and my wife are buddies.
Steve Gosselin:
And my wife, Karen tells me [inaudible 00:14:13] “Okay, Friday night, we’re going to go watch Jim play at such and such brewery or such and such bar.” I was like, “Okay.” Do you have stuff like that going on?
Do you have a regular gig or are you somebody that just like for hire the last minute somebody calls you and is like, “Tyler, we really need you this weekend. Can you come out and play with us?”
Tyler Olfers:
So currently I haven’t played a live show since the onset of early 2020, when COVID became pretty prominent. I had a set or a show that was going to play on September 5th, which canceled due to uptick in cases and whatnot.
Tyler Olfers:
I have played some open mics. I like to do that when I’m writing a song and I’m like, “You know what? I got to work this part out.” And sometimes you need to hear it out on the amps and on the stage.
Tyler Olfers:
I do record with a lot of my friends. They’ll make up some piano parts on the computer and they can’t play it. And they’ll say, “Hey, can you come play?” And then just recently last weekend I went out and saw a buddy’s band who was playing and during their break he’s like, “We got to get you up there on piano.” He’s like, “Do I need to give you the songs? Or can I just call you ahead of time?”
Tyler Olfers:
And I was like, “Well, I’ve been playing long enough and listening to what you guys are playing. I’m sure I could get up there and noodle around with you guys.” I might be doing some more of that here soon, but really been focusing on raising the family and spending as much time at home as possible with them.
Steve Gosselin:
Nice. Cool. So Julie and I were reading an interview with you from Construction News, where you talk about your song Industry Sandwich. And that was the song I previewed, listened to before I got on. Can you tell our listeners about it? How’d it come about? And what does it mean to you now?
Tyler Olfers:
So Industry Sandwich definitely has meant something originally when it was written and has kind of evolved and means something a little different to me now. Initially it came from a term used by one of our old engineer buddies who was recording our band at the time. Everything he said, he was a classical trumpet and horn’s player and played professionally in the 70s and stuff.
Tyler Olfers:
So everything he would tell us, he was telling us like, “If you want to make it, you got to do this. If you want to make it, you got to do that.” Or, “This is industry standard.” He’d use the term industry standard for everything to where we were young and adolescent in this band, we thought it was kind of funny. So we turned that into an inside joke. Because every time are making something up in the band we like, “Oh, is that industry standard?”
Tyler Olfers:
And the guy had some really good points and stuff and I think we missed them then, which I see them now. But we had a little debate in the studio one time. And I think being the adolescent at the time, I kind of had this past progressive feeling of, “Okay. Well, you know that you’re supposed to write songs like this and you’re supposed to make your lyrics like that.”
Tyler Olfers:
So I was thinking, “I need to write a song that’s just straight up the middle, like what he says it takes to make it.” I was making a sandwich in my apartment at the time and it just hit me.
Tyler Olfers:
I was like, “This is about as straight up the middle as it can get to how to make a sandwich.” And I let those lyrics just be as generic and cheesy as possible. And then I think the metaphors kind of set in after the song was completed.
Steve Gosselin:
Well, there’s no doubt about that. It’s a good listen for sure. Julie needs to share with the listeners about where they can find this Industry Sandwich. So very good. So I also hear you’ve played music at some ECS events. Tell us a little bit about that.
Tyler Olfers:
Yeah. So in 2017 or 2016 maybe, we had our first client appreciation event for the Austin office and we were talking about what we were going to do and how it was going to entertain people.
Tyler Olfers:
And Bob looked at me and he [inaudible 00:17:59] told me he said, “You’re a musician.” He’s like, “Don’t you have a band?” And I was like, “Yeah.” He’s like, “You guys want to play?” I was like, “Yeah, let me talk to them.”
Tyler Olfers:
So it was cool getting to do that for the first client outing, we set up. It was a little nerve wracking because, I was excited to be there for interacting with clients and appreciating them. But also I felt I was in my band mode where I was like, “All right, got all our equipment. I got to remember my set list got.”
Tyler Olfers:
And so I felt I was a little on edge, but overall it was a really fun experience getting to play. I dressed us all up in the really bright orange and yellow ECS shirts as the band. So we were flashing our swag there too and representing.
Steve Gosselin:
All right, good. Yeah. Got in costume for all that. That’s cool. I mentioned earlier about the intro music for Coffee Talk. How’d you go about creating the music for the podcast other than Julie, either threatening you or bribing you? I know she gets that way sometimes.
Tyler Olfers:
Not at all. She did call me and wanted to… said she wanted to talk about the podcast and wanted to talk about how they need some music and she thought it would be really cool if we went organic and homegrown instead of getting some royalty free music just to slot in there. So I really appreciated that opportunity.
Tyler Olfers:
The song itself is unlike any song that I would write on my own otherwise. And how that came to be was, they had some really cool parameters. She had a beat per minute range of 90 to 110 that she wanted it to stay between. She shared a link to a song that she said that, “We’re looking for something that’s kind of like this or that has this kind of vibe.” On a royalty free site.
Tyler Olfers:
And so I kind of perused through those a little bit and then they said a length to keep in mind. And that definitely made it easy at first to go, “Yeah, sure.” And then I was like, “Wait, this is going to be a two minute song. What’s the progression of it going to be?”
Tyler Olfers:
So my buddy and I had a really fun time doing that. So I went to my friend’s home studio here in Austin, Insomnia Recording Studios and we messed around a couple of nights, just layering some electronic parts and keyboards and we made up some MIDI sequences of our own.
Tyler Olfers:
And that was something that we have a lot of fun doing, is creating those sounds. And so what came out of it was something that we felt was like a Candy Crush game meets NPR Radio with a golden sunrise driving to work. Julie said something to keep in mind is, “Think of somebody driving to their first job site or first project or driving to a client event in the morning.
Tyler Olfers:
So we’re not trying to just jam them in their head. It’s got to be kind of easy going and smooth in the morning.” So I had that in mind while we were doing that. And I hope that, that’s conveyed there in the song.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. So you channeled your inner Kenny G, right?
Tyler Olfers:
Yeah. Sure, nice.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Well, thanks. We really appreciate you taking time out and going the effort to doing that. I’m sure everybody’s going to enjoy it. I’m going to go off script a little bit here, being a fellow Texan and just ask you a couple questions. So where’d you grow up in Texas?
Tyler Olfers:
So I was born and raised in… I was born in Austin, downtown St. David’s and I was raised up in Leander Cedar Park area. So it’s just a little metropolitan area just north. It used to be a day trip from Leander, just going into Austin before major development came. But now it’s all blended together. It looks like one and the same.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. So you’re pretty much a native Austin night, I guess is what they’d call them.
Tyler Olfers:
A third generation native Austin night, yeah.
Steve Gosselin:
No kidding. Third generation, that’s school. Where’d you go to high school?
Tyler Olfers:
I went to high school at Leander High School.
Steve Gosselin:
All right, good. So did y’all have a good football team?
Tyler Olfers:
We had a really good football team from when I was first getting into high school through my senior year. They would go to state several times. And so we’d get to go to Dallas or San Antonio or Houston and watch them play in the big professional stadiums.
Tyler Olfers:
We had some pretty big names. There was a couple of guys who went on to go and play… or he went on, he was third string at the Green Bay Packers whenever Rick [inaudible 00:22:19] was there.
Tyler Olfers:
But we had a couple of guys who went really far and did well. I played on the basketball team and I played through high school and we were not a great team. We were a bunch of great individual kids that played really well, but our team record didn’t show that.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. So couple things of folks listening about Texas sports. There’s two sports in Texas, there’s football and then there’s spring football. Everything else is secondary. Yeah, that’s a great story.
Steve Gosselin:
And the reason I ask about football and I know they made a TV show and a movie about it Friday Night Lights. But let me tell you and Tyler Earl tested this and he could probably share some good stories.
Steve Gosselin:
But there’s really nothing like Friday and Friday night Texas football. All day at school that’s all you talk about getting [inaudible 00:23:13] the game. Especially growing up in somewhat of a smaller town, like Leander, going on the road, taking a road trip, going to whoever your arch rival is, things like that.
Steve Gosselin:
Or hosting them at homecoming, things like that. It’s really something that you experience that in your teens and it never leaves your blood. It’s a great feeling and a great experience.
Tyler Olfers:
That’s absolutely true and accurate. And an interesting note that you mentioned Friday Night Lights, the AC Bible Stadium at Leander High School was the original stadium that Friday Night Lights school was based on. So they had transported that stadium over there. And that was our football stadium.
Steve Gosselin:
No kidding.
Tyler Olfers:
[crosstalk 00:23:56]. Yeah.
Steve Gosselin:
Okay. So we’re going to do rapid fire Texas style or really we’ll just make it rapid fire Austin style. Okay. Best barbecue, Austin.
Tyler Olfers:
I still got to say that. It’s Black’s Barbecue. The original one in Lockhart.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. No kidding, yeah. And best Mexican food.
Tyler Olfers:
I’m going to say Manuel’s, it’s a interior Mexican restaurant in the Arboretum area.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. All right. Good call. And Julie knows, I have to ask about Mexican food because that’s a favorite for me. Okay. So a couple questions about what our listeners want to know. How would you answer the question, “What does ECS do?”
Tyler Olfers:
I generally answer this question pretty straight up the middle by saying ECS stands for engineering consulting services and we provide environmental, geotechnical, construction materials testing and facility services.
Steve Gosselin:
All right. Cool. And what is the funniest memory from your time at ECS?
Tyler Olfers:
I feel there’s laughing and cackling going on in our office every single day usually around that five o’clock hour that I can hear. So the there’s a lot of funny things that happen.
Tyler Olfers:
Took a little while to try to figure something out, but I know that there’s an audio recording floating around here in Austin. Where [inaudible 00:25:14] and I were on speaker phone trying to strategize something in the schedule and we were doing it in funny voices.
Tyler Olfers:
And I think somebody pulled out their phone and recorded us doing that little back and forth banter. That was in 2016 and a couple of years ago that just resurfaced. And somebody’s like, “Hey, you remember this?” And we were able to show some people out of context, which made it even more funny than the moment.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Very good. I figured it’d be a story about Bob Shefsky, but I have to be careful this is being recorded, so we’ll just leave it there. Okay.
Steve Gosselin:
So before we wrap this up and let you provide some final comments or anything you need to share with the group. What fills your cup? What makes you happy or brings you joy?
Tyler Olfers:
I’d say my three year old daughter Everly Joe, my two year old son Gibson and my best friend and my wife, Jen.
Steve Gosselin:
So, all right. So I got to ask you Gibson, Gibson guitars?
Tyler Olfers:
Yeah. It was my wife’s suggestion too. Believe me, I didn’t make her do that.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. And your daughter’s name? Any connection there or any mean to that?
Tyler Olfers:
So her name is Everly and my wife’s grandmother’s name was Beverly, so she named her Everly. And then my grandmother’s name on my mom’s side was Johanna. She was from Prussia and she would always go by Joe, so they would just call her Joe. So we named her Everly Joe.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah. Awesome. And so for those listening in Central Texas, most everybody has ties to central or Eastern Europe. My college roommate was from Central Texas and he was from a Czechoslovakian family. Last name was Stepan. So that makes perfect sense to me. The reason I asked about Everly I was wondering if there may be some Everly brothers in there as well, too.
Tyler Olfers:
Our nurse told us of that and I was like, “Everly is already a word?” And when I heard the song I was like, “How didn’t I know that already?” Because I knew that song.
Steve Gosselin:
Oh yeah. I know. Okay. So that’s awesome. Anything final you’d like to share with us before we sign off?
Tyler Olfers:
Other than thanking you guys for the opportunity for this and creating this, this is a really great thing. I think that this is going to be and has infinite platform for topics and stuff. So this is just genius to do. I’m really glad to be able to be a part of it and get to be a part of its makeup from the music perspective.
Tyler Olfers:
And then on a personal note, I got a couple of other songs coming out over the span of this year. I usually release them on my kiddo’s birthday. So one will be released on the 28th of this month. And then the next one I’ll time release over there in May of next year.
Steve Gosselin:
Yeah, great. Well, just to clarify something, Julie is the brains behind the outfit. She’s the genius here. So the genius is all hers and really the pleasure and the honor is all ours. We appreciate taking your time out of your busy schedule to be with us. We know how busy you all are in the Southwest, especially in Texas and in Austin, you guys are blowing up, you’re doing a great job.
Steve Gosselin:
Bob, Mark, all you guys are doing a wonderful job down there and we really appreciate all the work you’re doing and the great leadership you guys are providing. So thanks. And today was really enlightening. It’s great to talk to a fellow Texan, especially somebody in Austin, which is a great city and a great town. Someplace I really love.
Steve Gosselin:
And I just encourage everybody who’s listening today. If you’ve never been there, you got to go there. Make sure you go by the office spend some time talking to Tyler. He’ll tell you where to go, what to do. It’s a great city, wonderful food, wonderful music, wonderful culture. Just a great place to go visit. So make sure you go to Austin. So thanks again, Tyler. Really appreciate your time.
Tyler Olfers:
Thank you guys. Have a great day.
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Outro
Steve Gosselin:
Thank you for listening to Coffee Talk: From the Ground Up. We hope you enjoy today’s episode. If you have an idea on future topics, guests, or up for round of call, you can call me, text me, email me, just get in touch with me. And I’ll get it to Julie and we’ll get it set up.
Julie Smith:
And for those of you that don’t want to play golf and you may hate talking on the phone. That’s okay. You can send us an email at ecsmarketing@ecslimited.com. Be sure to follow us on social media and subscribe to this podcast. So you never miss an episode.
Steve Gosselin:
Thanks Julie. Here’s to having a great day.